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	<title>Comments on: Dawkins Part 2: The Ultimate 747 &#8211; Is that the best he’s got?</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have not understood Dawkin&#039;s arguments at all:

1. Evolution is today an indisputable fact, doubted by no honest educated person. Furthermore, the utter falsity of creationism follows from its incompatibility with simple observations and is independent of the truth/falsity of evoultion.

2.Dawkins never said that since the universe is complex then god, having built it, would have to be more complex and therefore would not exist. That is absurd. He was showing that the claim by creationists that that the world is complex and therefore designed is self-contradictory, because the same argument would apply to the designer to demonstrate that something must have designed the designer.

3.Design and the anthropic principle are clearly mutually exclusive. They are different explanations for a given phenomenon. They are mutually exclusive in the same way the sky can not be both blue and green at the same time. Your argument is that competing arguments can coexist in politics, and therefore the sky can be both blue and green? Your completely mad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have not understood Dawkin&#8217;s arguments at all:</p>
<p>1. Evolution is today an indisputable fact, doubted by no honest educated person. Furthermore, the utter falsity of creationism follows from its incompatibility with simple observations and is independent of the truth/falsity of evoultion.</p>
<p>2.Dawkins never said that since the universe is complex then god, having built it, would have to be more complex and therefore would not exist. That is absurd. He was showing that the claim by creationists that that the world is complex and therefore designed is self-contradictory, because the same argument would apply to the designer to demonstrate that something must have designed the designer.</p>
<p>3.Design and the anthropic principle are clearly mutually exclusive. They are different explanations for a given phenomenon. They are mutually exclusive in the same way the sky can not be both blue and green at the same time. Your argument is that competing arguments can coexist in politics, and therefore the sky can be both blue and green? Your completely mad.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cefai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Cefai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You got me hooked now Todd..lol.

A few points to rebut..

&quot;Evolution is theory not factual&quot;...I don&#039;t know how any educated person can dispute evolution?  It may not be airtight but logically and scientifically makes more sense than Adam and Eve where Eve was created from Adam&#039;s rib...come on, please.

&quot;God offers plenty of evidence for his existance as well&quot;...like what??  Give me one example where God has demonstrated his existance?  And saying, look at the beauty in the world is not an example of God&#039;s existance.   If you reference the bible, than you are making the assumption that you believe the bible to be literally accurate.  I would challenge you by saying you could not produce one &quot;factual&quot; example to prove God&#039;s existence...hence the concept of taking it in faith.  I guess I will have to wait for the 5th part in your series for this.


I agree with your 2nd and 3rd points.  If this is the logic that Dawkins&#039; uses, than you are right, it is flawed.


I do believe these articles have helped me understand my position towards God and Religion.  I have no problem in believing in a higher power out there that we do not or cannot comprehend and understand.    What I adamantly disagree with is organized religion.  Do I believe in the literal meaning of the bible?  NO.  Do I believe in heaven and hell?  NO.   Organized Religion is just another way to divide us.  If there is a God and he/she/it is powerful enough to have created the universe, do you think he/she/it would really care whether we go to church on Sunday, or whether gays marry....seems unlikely to me.  Do you care if 2 male ants have sex on some ant hill in Africa?  I doubt it.  I would propose that if there is a GOD he/she/it exists in ways the human brain simply cannot comprehend.

I know you subscribe to the simple premise of love and respect thy neighbour, which I subscribe to as well.  You don&#039;t need religion to believe in this and it is irrelevant whether you believe in God or not.

Your Agnostic Friend..Dave]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got me hooked now Todd..lol.</p>
<p>A few points to rebut..</p>
<p>&#8220;Evolution is theory not factual&#8221;&#8230;I don&#8217;t know how any educated person can dispute evolution?  It may not be airtight but logically and scientifically makes more sense than Adam and Eve where Eve was created from Adam&#8217;s rib&#8230;come on, please.</p>
<p>&#8220;God offers plenty of evidence for his existance as well&#8221;&#8230;like what??  Give me one example where God has demonstrated his existance?  And saying, look at the beauty in the world is not an example of God&#8217;s existance.   If you reference the bible, than you are making the assumption that you believe the bible to be literally accurate.  I would challenge you by saying you could not produce one &#8220;factual&#8221; example to prove God&#8217;s existence&#8230;hence the concept of taking it in faith.  I guess I will have to wait for the 5th part in your series for this.</p>
<p>I agree with your 2nd and 3rd points.  If this is the logic that Dawkins&#8217; uses, than you are right, it is flawed.</p>
<p>I do believe these articles have helped me understand my position towards God and Religion.  I have no problem in believing in a higher power out there that we do not or cannot comprehend and understand.    What I adamantly disagree with is organized religion.  Do I believe in the literal meaning of the bible?  NO.  Do I believe in heaven and hell?  NO.   Organized Religion is just another way to divide us.  If there is a God and he/she/it is powerful enough to have created the universe, do you think he/she/it would really care whether we go to church on Sunday, or whether gays marry&#8230;.seems unlikely to me.  Do you care if 2 male ants have sex on some ant hill in Africa?  I doubt it.  I would propose that if there is a GOD he/she/it exists in ways the human brain simply cannot comprehend.</p>
<p>I know you subscribe to the simple premise of love and respect thy neighbour, which I subscribe to as well.  You don&#8217;t need religion to believe in this and it is irrelevant whether you believe in God or not.</p>
<p>Your Agnostic Friend..Dave</p>
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